are Melora and we thank you, [S.], for agreeing to ask these
questions this morning. We also guided our Joanna to approach
you with this idea because "it will kill two birds with
one stone," so to speak. Because of your particular quality
of intellect, you will somehow track and question in a way that
will reveal the most information on this subject.
thank you. And Happy New Year to you.
thank you. It is all the same to us . . . [laughs] But we thank
you for your intentions.
have a question about something. Genesis, being "the gene
of Isis," if you look at it that way. If you also take Isis
Ra Elohim and you combine the first two letters of each one of
those, you get "Israel." I'm just wondering . . . Isis
keeps popping up, and I know somewhere in here [the pre-prepared
questions] Joanna keeps asking about . . .
codings . . .
. . the relationship between Isis and Yahweh that keeps popping
up, and I know somewhere in here [the pre-prepared questions]
Joanna keeps asking about . . .
right. Give us a moment, please. What we would like you to remember
on this subject is: The transcriptions of names, or the transliterations
of names as they come forward into English, are not to be taken
literally as the way they were spelled [originally] or derived
[later]. Do you see? In seeing "Gene Isis," you're
getting a concept of a co-creative process that was not just
patriarchal or male, which should make sense to anyone who has
an iota of rational mind, meaning: there are males and females
of every species. Why not created by both male and female deities
or creator gods, as it were? What we're hearing is, Yes, conceptually
read it that way, but if you trace it back in a scholarly manner,
those derivations would not be there.
playing semantic/linguistic games in English. If you had a Hebrew
equivalent going on with that, truly, then that would be different.
We're saying, don't confuse the word games with an actual etymology
of the words, as they came up through Hebrew.
Did you want me to start with [Joanna's] questions?
you have commented before that wed "have to go a lot
higher than Yahweh to reach Source Creator." And you have
said that Yahweh is a Father God only to Earth. Why were the
Israelites his chosen people? Why not others on Earth (just referring
to the Old Testament)?
and this was what our Joanna was referring to in the information
that came through to her this morning--intact, by the way. (This
is a new level of working with us for her in her desire to merge
in consciousness with us more and more. We're wishing to point
out to her that this is an example of how she can access information
from us that clearly and that explicitly without going into a
"channeling" state. We want to signal her to this breakthrough.)
right. As she was reading to you, it is no accident that the
Hindus, for example, clairvoyantly, clairaudiently and clairsentiently
experienced such beings as Krishna--and that he looked like them,
although he had blue skin, and so forth. The other gods weren't
just made up, as though people said, "I feel that God is
there, and I will make Him look like an East Indian!" In
very ancient times, people actually could experience the gods
with all of their senses. It was a Golden-Age, ancient ability
that people had. This is true of the many races. If you look
at the Hopi Indian tribes, if you look at the Hindus, if you
look at the Nordic people and their gods, if you look at the
ancient Greeks and their gods--their gods looked like them. More properly, they looked like their
was not just anthropomorphism [by human beings]; this was not
just projecting that they looked like their gods. This was star-seeding,
or genetic expression, in the interplay between many creator
gods and beings on Earth. So we have described before the relationship
of the lower creator gods versus the higher creator gods. The
crux of the matter here is that there was a time millions of
years ago when the Earth was a sort of botanical garden of creation
and many star beings, including star creator gods, had an opportunity
to express themselves in giving form with their DNA (etheric
or physical--no matter how you want to look at it) and to create
the many races that you have.
Genesis tries to explain this in terms of
Yahweh and only a limited number of races, but if you look at
how many races there really are and compare them to how many
are named in Genesis, you will see that Genesis
names only four or five, including descendents of Noah, or whatever.
When [Noah's son] Ham saw Noah naked, he and his descendants
were scorched and so became Black people, or whatever. We're
saying that this is rather simplistic, but it is an attempt
to explain that process. However, it attributes this only to
Yahweh, and there were many other creator gods. They were not
all doing this at the same time, of course, or in the same millennia.
right, but [Joanna] asks why the Israelites were his [Yahweh's]
they were the seeds--the true seeded humanity--of Yahweh, the
creator god. And that's why it was written: "Sorry, but
they're the chosen people, and you guys aren't included."
The Egyptians had their own gods that they resembled, and so
forth. Also, in what our Joanna read to you, it is not okay for
people to try to impose their gods on another culture. Many wars,
including a very current one that you're all aware of, are on
this subject--where people say, "This is the only God, and
you must believe in him or we're going to go to war with you."
If people could accept and understand that there's not just one
god at this level, and embrace each person's right to embrace
the one appropriate to them, then none of these wars, including
the Crusades, would ever have happened.
one of the questions that's coming up for me in this is that
the trouble that we're having right now is the holding on of
the old male power system versus the female . . .
. . and that the way women were treated and the power all leaned
towards the male, and now that's changing. I don't know if that's
going beyond what you said?
MELORA: No. Not at all. It's very important.
Again, it is about coming out of spiritual polarity so that in
the days of the Goddess there was still polarity. If people could
let there be a co-existence of male and female forces in their
3-D life--the way many North and South American Indian tribes
allowed--there would be that harmony. There would be that reverence
for the Earth. There would be that communion of points of view,
if you will, that allows for a balance. It was just as polarized to have only the goddess
reigning as it is now with the father. This is imposed by humans
for their own agendas.
S: Yes, and
it's also bringing me to the question of the male and female
that I am. The co-existence of the masculine and the feminine
problem [with integrating the two] in the physical body is hormones,
is it not?
it's hormones. But it's also the . . .
there is that infinitely fine-tuned chemistry of hormones that
is different in the male than in the female, including the way
the brain develops, including the way communication centers do
or don't develop, including vast socialization that affects you.
We're saying this because we're thinking that perhaps the question
underlying what you're saying is: "How do you overcome or
disallow the effects of those very powerful influences in the
physical body, in socialization, and so forth?" That is
by desire and allowance and heart-spirit connection. Many in
this Age think they're into spiritual work who are really into
acquiring information intellectually that is metaphysical information.
Many males in the spiritual
community are still really being metaphysicians and not allowing
the heart-spirit connection, which requires them to abdicate
Ego control and allow Spirit control.
the next point I was going to make: I think of my male and female
being together and I think of my High Self as being part of me
and that in this embodiment I am a male.
MELORA: You are part of your Higher Self.
Of course. Okay, shall I go on?
Joanna saw a program on
TV about very elaborate codes in the Old Testament that point
to YHWHfor example, from Genesis the codings are
TORH (or Torah) and then pointing back from Ezekial
it is HROT (or Torah backwards). Then between them the
codings are literally YHWH. Then the program talks about such
events as the World Trade Center Twin Towers being struck by
planes, etc. The program claimed that the Bible has our whole
historypast, present and futureencoded in it, so
this YHWH must be some God indeed. Can you verify these codings
and how YHWH was able to do this?
Give us a moment,
please. The answer to this question is in the context of reincarnation
being simultaneous and in the computer-like processes of DNA
programming. A god of Yahweh's adept abilities as a creator god
could certainly have access to information over the many planes,
and over time, and encode that in there. [That would mean
that Yahweh knew the entire "history" of the Israelites
into the far distant future too. --JOANNA] What we're hearing
now is important to state here: The effect of the Biblical passages--actually
more in the Old Testament, for those of less personal-responsibility
consciousness (meaning, "I give my power over to God instead
of taking responsibility for what I create in my life")--these encodings are what inspire people,
what cause fear in people or what draw people to the power of
those books still, after all these millennia. They are what also
bind --especially Jewish people--to a static text, meaning: It
was laid down and it has not been updated. It's a binding, a
being bonded to it. This was the true bondage of the Israelites.
They are literally unable to update their history, their karma,
their understanding. They are even unable to fathom or allow
in their consciousness a possibility that Yahweh himself evolves.
the Bible, as we know it today, I think is quite differnt than
a lot of people believe. There have been a lot of changes throughout
the centuries. Is there a Bible available that has the whole
MELORA: Yes. The Torah is the closest.
When the Old Testament came into King James version (Old and
New Testaments), liberties were taken. You know how there are
synonyms for words? Like whether the nails were put through Jesus'
wrists or his hands. From the Greek they could have chosen "wrists"
but they chose "hands." It was proven that the hands
could not have supported the body. When they translated "shekinah"
from the Hebrew they forgot to emphasize that it is a feminine
noun. "Holy Spirit" is feminine. These equivocal translations
were done on purpose.
S: They were
done on purpose for power and control.
Yes. Exactly. To continue
the answer to the previous question, another thing the program
brought out (and this is the answer regardomg the Torah
being much closer because it's been transcribed in many different,
beautiful forms out of the lifetime rabbinical scholars, who
would recopy the Torah in new, beautiful scrolls) . .
. What was brought out in this program is that originally there
were no spaces between the words--that the words of the Torah
were all run together. This is how they get the coding, where
they go, "After every 49th letter there is a coded Hebrew
letter." This is part of their first approach to finding
writing in the Torah . . . was this channeled? This was presented
in old by Yahweh? How was the Torah presented to the people?
MELORA: We're getting that it was actually
inscribed on the face of the mountain [Mt. Sinai] but that it
could not be brought down in that form for obvious reasons. Actually,
the inscriptions were made, laser like, inscribed as through
a magnifying lens. The encryptions were very small, because the
entirety of what was then called TORAH was inscribed on
the face of that mountain.
Is that the thing of Moses
going up and bringing down the tablets?
And so what he [Moses] did was to sort of copy what he
was directed to copy out of that, but he absorbed in his consciousness
the entire contents.
those words that were carved in the mountain still there?
no, because of sheer weathering, and this is not recorded anywhere
because of that. Moses had to be selective about what he brought
to his people. You have to remember how primitive they were.
He, as their leader, was told to divulge only certain kinds of
information or certain amounts of information.
S: Is the
rest of that information available to us?
Well, what we haven't
said is that over time (this is really the answer to your question),
the information that was recorded there came through in a channeling
process to a number of different prophets, and it was more or
less accurate. You have to remember that in the channeling process
if you're 85% accurate, that's pretty good. All priests and priestesses
who were any good, who were truly divinely inspired, were channels,
and they interpreted and brought forth information directly from
their divine sources . . . whichever those sources would
I'm thinking about is: Nothing, basically, is lost. Everything
exists somewhere. I'm wondering if it's possible to bring the
entire text into the world as we know it now.
But what we would like to do is to distinguish between information
that was inscribed on the mountain in laser-like fashion (where
Moses got the tablets . . . brought down the tablets of the Ten
Commandments) and the Torah itself. There is much, much
more information that was encoded there on the face of the mountain.
It was actually blasted flat and then inscribed.
why I asked the question: Is that available to us now?
No. It was an intersection of Time and
Space event, and certain
aspects of it that were retained and channeled through as what
was called the Torah were selected as only that which
people of that time would be able to process.
but the idea that it was all there--Moses took what was given
to him at the time--if nothing is lost, then the entire text
is available somewhere, but you say that it's not.
MELORA: Well, we thought we were answering
whether you would be able to retrieve it or not? No.
S: Oh, that's
what I mean.
Yes, it does exist,
but you wouldn't have the means to retrieve it.
but someone like you could.
[laughs] because it requires an intersection with a language
understanding in 3-D [3rd Dimension] and . . . for example,
our Joanna is a conscious channel. She does not speak ancient
Hebrew. [laughs] Therefore, we do not either. We access the Akasha
in the context of our work with clients--not symbol-by-symbol,
letter-by-letter, moment-by-moment in the many-dimensional aspects
of existence of one point in history. Does that make sense?
it does, but I just think that where you are, you could find
someone who could do that.
MELORA: Well, if you had someone who is channeling
Yahweh you could. [laughs]
[laughs] Okay, Joanna's
number 3 question is: "Tell me if the God of the New Testament
is the same as the God of the Old Testament."
S: Okay. And
"Is 'the Lord' the same as Yahweh?"
"Is Jehovah the same
S: Okay. That
was quick. [laughs]
would like to elaborate on That. We're seeing an evolution (and
this is part of the question coming up, about whether Yahweh
evolves) . . . we will call this a Council of the Gods, and picture
this if you will: A
Council of the Gods gets
together after all that the Israelites have been through (the
whole problem with Phaoroh and this idea that Moses can't go
into the Promised Land after all that he's done for his people,
and so forth) . . . this Council of Gods who have commerce with
people on Earth (there were many other religions as you know
going on simultaneously with this), get together and say: "Look,
Yahweh. This is not cool! And what are you going to do about
One of the Council members
is what you think of as "The Christos"--or a Being
of Christ-Consciousness. There are a number of such Beings. "Christos"
is a title like a Melchizedek. There's not just
one Melchizedek. If you are a Melchizedek, that's a title bestowed
as a result of a certain level of evolution of consciousness--but
also of a certain spiritual council as well: The Order of Melchizadek.
So a Being of Christ
Consciousness on this Council agreed to come into Earthly incarnation,
and in order to perpetuate the continuity of the believers in
their religion, came as The Messiah. Now the reason why most
Jews don't believe He was the Messiah is that they know, at the
Soul level, that there was a difference here. They know
that The Christos is not a linear descendant of Yahweh. And so
here is the division between the religions of Christianity and
Judaism, even though that Christos consciousness came into a
Jew in incarnation.
Now, a Being of Christ
Consciousness has the qualities of spirit that resonate to love,
forgiveness--all the things that Yahweh NEVER talked about--
. . hence, the schizophrenic sensations between the Old and New
Testaments, where, in the Old Testament: "Thou shall have
no gods before me"; hellfire and damnation; "You must
obey me." "I am a jealous God" and all these things
do not come into the expression of The Lord in the New
Testament, do they?
MELORA: So what we have is a change of plan, decided by a
Council of Creator Gods and titled Ascended Beings, as "Christos,"
to bring the Israelites out of their suffering, to introduce
a World Religion of Peace and Harmony, and to give the illusion
of continuity in a spiritual lineage. For some it worked, and for some it didn't. So then
what happened is that people started using Christianity to kill
other people (as in the Crusades) who didn't believe as they
did. This is the point of saying that it is not right, appropriate,
or desirable to try to impose your own religion upon someone
else. They get to choose. Even if they're born a Jew, they can
choose to be a shaman. If they're born into a Muslim environment,
they can choose to be a Christian. That is what is supposed to
I'm assuming that Buddha
[Gautama] was a Christed Being.
Buddha was. Mohammed, however, was not. So the divinity Allah
is not Yahweh, is not a Christed Being, is not of the Order of
Melchizedek. [Allah] came in not as a creator god but to kind
of test the waters of his power. He did not create that race.
If you remember, Iran was called "Arya," which is where
you get "Aryan," and so Persion/Farsi is part of the
Indo-European languages. Arabic came much later into their language
and into religious influence as a result of Arab conquest.
Allah is a separate Elohim or god of whatever . . .
MELORA: Not Elohim. (The "El" suffix--like
Emanuel ("God with us"), Raphael, Michael
. . . "El" is of the Yahweh lineage and structure.
"El" was the original term for "God"--the
most ancient--and evolved into "Yahweh." So "Elohim"
is of that lineage. Using the lineage of the Old Testament and
saying, "O come, O come Emanuel" or "His name
shall be Emanuel"--attributing that to The Christos who
came into incarnation as Jesus--that was part of trying to continue
that line in people's consciousness.) But Jesus had a very different resonance as the so-called
son of that particular god because He was not actually of that
lineage. He was trying to repair what happened with Creation
under Yahweh's direction.
But in the Old Testament
there existed Jehovah, The Lord, and all of this sort of thing,
showing that there actually are different creator gods. People
are rarely able to fathom that, as they need to have one god
that everybody worships. They are not able to allow that there
were more (although there are many references to inter-galactic
interference, as in Revelations--the "gyres within
gyres" and actually John seeing nuclear holocaust, and so
forth. For example, if beings are flying through the air, then
the only things people had to relate that to are birds, and so
they were going to put wings on them whether they had wings or
not. If they were in ships, flying through the air, they were
going to have them be in chariots, going across the sky, and
so forth. They were going to relate that to what they understood.
This should never, never be taken literally. That is what we
were talking about--the mistake of using static "historic"
transcriptions and trying to hold on to them forever as everything
else evolves and changes.
S: Joanna's next
question is: "Many Star Children feel disconnected from
Spirit Source. Do they also have karma on Earth regarding Yahweh,
even though they're Star Children?"
Quite a large number of Starseed were incarnated at the time
of the Crucifixion. There has been much misinterpretation in
their consciousness about what this means. They go two main directions
with this. One direction is that they become totally "disenchanted,"
if you will, with a notion of worshiping God. They should
be disenchanted with worshiping! We'll get in to this in
a moment. Our Joanna uses in another question the word "worship,"
and we wish to say
that worship is the problem.
Give us a moment.
two directions that Star Children go is (1) feeling so much revulsion
for this so-called sacrificing of "the Son of God"
(in the interpretation it was the Son of God and that God Himself
ordained this rather than The Christos choosing this as a sacrificial
path to awaken millions of people to a possibility of a new way
of relating to the Divine); (2) the other way [Star Children]
went was to become so absorbed in the letter of the religion,
as in Fundamentalist Christians and many Catholics--again, they
get stuck in their ability to acknowledge the validity of any
other worship, or religion, but their own.
It sounds like both of
them are stuck in denial.
Well, we wouldn't
call it denial. We would call it a sort of knee-jerk reaction
to the intensity of the 3rd-dimensional experience. But these
are the two main karmic effects on Star Children and on
those who are not Starseed in their incarnational journeys. It
is a main problem that our Joanna is trying to resolve for herself
in coming to you have you ask these questions for her, because
she's getting very close to resolving this dilemma for herself--karmically
and forever in all dimensions and at all Soul levels.
is this question: "I want to commune with the highest possible
Divine that is appropriate to me. Who is that and how do I do
this?" So for her (and we will jump ahead in the questions
a little bit), the closest she's been able to determine is that
she is in the Athena lineage, but then she also understands that
[in going to Athena as her Divine Source] she's also in
polarity, which is why she says: "I can't relate to this
Yahweh guy, so I jump to the other polarity and go to Athena,
but then I feel guilty because maybe I'm making a big mistake
here spiritually in leaving Yahweh out, but personally I'd rather
leave him out because I don't believe in him and I'm not resonant
with him." And indeed she is not.
So here is the key word:
"worship." It is NOT appropriate to worship any divine
being in the sense that you fear that deity, in the sense that
you exclude other possibilities for other people. [Worship]
is NOT appropriate or beneficial for you in the sense that you
bind yourself to one high-level being by oath, obligation or
whatever. True Christos Consciousness, true Order of Melchizedek,
true Ascended Beings, true benevolent creator gods do not ask
this of people! It happens again and again because of 3rd-dimensional
existence, and only the most advanced and evolved of such creator
beings resist the temptation to bask in the light of such worship.
S: Yes, and
it seems that worship is putting yourself less than, and
you don't need to be less than.
Well, of course not,
the way worship keeps coming out is: "I am less than and
so I will worship whomever," and I think breaking that mode,
breaking that stereotype or whatever you want to call it is really
powerful and a little scary.
MELORA: The problem is Ego. How do you determine the part
of you that realizes that you are One with All and that you are
Divine? How do you know that that's what your realization is
or if it's your Ego puffing you up and, therefore, that you will
not responsibly use that power? That is the karmic issue again
What's the answer?
answer is to undertand how you make and maintain that connection
without giving up your responsibility for what you create in
your life and without worshiping something as though it's outside
of you. (This is the answer to the question about connecting
with a Divine Being who is the most able to communicate with
you--the highest Divine Being that you are resonant with or that
you have a Soul Assignment with. We're going to talk about Soul
Assignment in a moment.) There is no easy answer for this. This
is something that Buddha [Gautama] went through. This
is something that Jesus the Christ went through. This is what
all those who have come into human incarnation have struggled
with. Those whom you consider enlightened (as Buddha), ascended
(as Jesus) successfully answered these questions for themselves
and were able to transcend the 3rd-dimensional impediments to
. . the first step, as the Hindu gurus say, is to identify what,
within you, is being directed by Ego and retrain it--the small
self--and keep choosing, moment-by-moment to move into the Great
Self that all share. When you go into meditation in which you
are in that still, quiet space without any Ego thoughts or mental
thoughts, you approach that and you experience that for a time.
However, as long as you are in a physical body, there is some
trace of Ego. There is some karmic something that you
need to resolve or you wouldn't be here. Identifying those "residues"
should be the primary work of your consciousness.
So . . . it sounds kind of hilarious in a way. I mean, that's
like the cosmic joke: "Well, you wouldn't be here if you
didn't have something to be here. If you didn't have something
to work on, you'd be somewhere else." So no matter how holy
you think you are you're NOT, because you're here.
Well, there are those who have evolved beyond that but who have
chosen to come here--like The Christos. So you can evolve
beyond that and choose to come to help humankind. Otherwise,
you're coming back because of the karmic wheel, as it were.
next question is: "Do you have any advice for Star Children
about how they can find out who to pray to?" I think you've
answered this. "To worship as their God? To whom are they
responsible? Is it the same kind of relationship as people are
told to relate to Yahweh?
No. Of course it's
not the same relationship, and we did cover part of this, but
we have more helpful information about that. That information
also is true for what's happening with our Joanna this morning--this
wonderful process. (We will talk about this notion of religious
structures on the Earth designed to keep people of lower consciousness
from committing acts of great karmic repercussion.) Once you understand that you're not
assigned, as a Soul, to Yahweh--or "assigned with Yahweh
on Earth" would be a better way to put it--this liberates
you to allow yourself to ask the question: "Where can I
look? How can I find my true connection?"
answer is not going to be so much a name from another universe
or not even necessarily a lineage but to go within. To realize
that you can go within and not be bonded to a specific deity
for direction, instruction, answers, or whatever. That your connections
with your Higher Self, above and beyond, are going to give you
the answers to your questions the same way our Joanna started
getting information this morning, because she finally allowed
herself to go away from the main point of view that it must be
a specific god or nothing.
may be Ego (it sounds like it even as I'm preparing to say this),
but if you worship yourself--if you worship who you are--as opposed
to feeling less than a god--
long as you're doing this in your Spirit and Heart and not in
your Ego. That's a very dangerous concept when the Ego takes
over and this is, as we said, the greatest temptation in 3rd
Dimension on this very dense planet is that very thing. Many
have "fallen" as a result of the temptations of that
kind of power.
It also reminds me of
the new movie, "Lord of the Rings." The ring of power
. . . where the fairy princess had to reach for it, and passed
the test of not taking it and not commanding all that she sees.
But Frodo was innocent enough to not be affected by it.
That's a very good example of that kind of choice--if, out
of innocence, you can remember and come back into that space
of true innocence and purity. This is the true meaning of "purifying"--not
flagellating yourself with a cat-o'-nine-tails and being burnt
to a cinder, tortured or whatever. Rediscovering that level of
innocence brings you that level of power without the temptation
that that power normally brings.
S: That's almost
going back to the Biblical statement about children being able
to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Is that correct?
which directly contradicts the notion of "original sin,"
I never went for that anyway. [laughs]
Our Joanna didn't
either: "If your spouse isn't baptized by some Catholic
somebody, then they're going to hell."
always think, I'd rather take my chances not being with those
people and just be on my own.
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