S:
Okay. Let's see. Joanna
says she needs a new kind of approach to connecting with the
version of God that is appropriate to her. Is it that worship
is inappropriate outside the Yahweh structure and teachings?
Is that why she can't figure out how to connect with Athena,
for example? Would Athena be an appropriate Goddess/God for Jody
to commune with? To pray to?
MELORA:
All right, and our
Joanna asks a number of questions there. Athena would
be an appropriate God/Goddess [for her] but not
to pray to--to commune with, not to worship. Our Joanna, for
quite some years, has been able to commune with Athena. Again,
this is a major shift in her consciousness understanding and
allowance of a possibility in terms of not structuring a relationship
in terms of the old Yahweh paradigm . . . not structuring her
relationship with an Ascended Being or Deity, or whatever you
want to call who Athena is in all her many dimensions, or in
her multi-dimensional evolution. If our Joanna can indeed incorporate
what is coming in to her very DNA today this morning, then she
will realize that she can not only commune with Athena but she
can BE Athena, in a major sense, as an incarnational aspect of
the Goddess and be liberated from the separation that she has
experienced, not only in this lifetime but in other lifetimes
in that assignment with Athena here.
S: That's wonderful.
So she'll be able to do that?
MELORA: Yes.
S:
Soon?
MELORA: Now--in
this understanding.
S: Thank
you. Joanna's next question is: "The ancients in Crete said
that Athena created Mankind on Earth. Could you comment on this?"
MELORA: [Athena] created some people
on Earth. [laughs]
S: What is
the correlation between Athena, Shekhina, Mother Mary, and so
forth?
MELORA: Again,
they are various expressions of Divine Feminine energy and lineage.
S: So
they're all basically the same?
MELORA: There
are qualities of each that are distinguished in certain ways.
Just as you would think of certain people having certain predominant
personality traits that others do not have, they embody or express
various aspects of the Divine Feminine. This means the more predominant
aspects--not that each one is not whole in itself but on Earth
and in all of Creation, whether you're thinking physical or energetic
into the many universes. Individual Souls will be at various
stages of, as we would put it, of "whole expression."
Another answer to the
question "To whom is it appropriate to connect as your Divine?":
We would say your "Divine Guide" is an appropriate
expression--the highest Divine Guide that can communicate with
YOU, because beings evolve so far, they become so advanced, that
they cannot resonate with the density here or have communion
with it. Do you see? That is why it is necessary to have "intercessors."
That is why it is appropriate to say to your Higher Self: "Please
pass along this request to my appropriate Divine Guide."
S: Yes,
so we're talking about "the chain of command."
MELORA: "The
chain of communication" is how we would term
it.
S: That's
even better. Thank you. I want to get back to the question about
those in ancient Crete who said that Athena created mankind on
Earth. You said "some of them." Could you get a little
more specific about Athena's creations?
MELORA: Yes. If you follow the embodiments
of Athena (or the legends, as it were--or the history, as we
would call it) of her successive embodiments on Earth and the
interactions she had with people on Earth, you're really tracing
the Greek civilization back to what they called its ancient roots.
These roots are more ancient than recorded history can give you
because you go back approximately only to the Iron Age, or you
go back to some particular 3rd-dimensional Age on Earth in written
history and then before that you don't have any information.
S: Are there
any names that we would recognize?
MELORA: We
would really like more to dwell on how she was expressed in more
ancient times (or how she expressed herself in ancient
times). This goes to our Joanna's question about the expression
of healing energy as it was seen and experienced clairvoyantly
and its having been associated with the snake, which was latched
on to for the whole thing about the Garden of Eden and Satan
and all of this kind of thing. In the most ancient times, Athena
embodied on Earth in a form of what we would call a priestess
type being and did have some commerce in Atlantis and Lemuria.
But there were civilizations previous to Atlantis that are unknown,
or unmentioned, in your time now.
Athena
has always come as a voice of clear understanding of the reality
not only on Earth but also above and has been variously misunderstood
or misinterpreted, as all other gods have been, according to
the limitations of human consciousness. Her healing
has always been aimed toward mental misunderstand- ings, clearing
up illusion, expressing the truth--meaning, the Higher Truth--even
as it tries to come through and express through 3rd-dimensional
life and consciousness.
Part of that healing energy, for Athena, is expressed as though
coming out in those finger-like flames that Jean Houston described--coming
out of her body and out of her energy source, which goes very
high up indeed to what we would think of as a Divinity even higher
than she . . . or her Overbeing at the level of God/Goddess.
With
her energy source almost like a computer hub, if you will, she
was able to draw energy from that source and have it come through
her body, without harm to her physical body, and actually envelope
chosen people with it. As we follow her into Classical Greece,
she is interpreted as having helped the Greeks against the Trojans,
and so forth. What happened at that point is that after many
millennia of association with the Greek ancestry as it comes
into expression in Classical Greece, people were long-familliar
with Athena's attributes but begin to impose certain qualities
on her and certain decisions and certain commerce that didn't
actually occur. This is much like the patriarchs of Judaism starting
to impose their agendas on the established religion.
S: That
reminds me of what you said [in another session] about Medusa--the
males being afraid of female power and creating a myth / legend
/ lie, whatever, to discredit . . .
MELORA: Right.
To discredit. Turning Medusa into a gorgon's head with snaky
hair that can turn people into stone, etc.
S: But that
wasn't Athena . . .
MELORA: No.
Of course not. And neither was the springing forth in full armor
from Zeus' head business true. So they begin to create a myth
about who Athena is.
S: Joanna's
next question is: "Is the most exalted expression of Athena
as high or higher than Yahweh?"
MELORA: Higher.
S: "Meaning
the Yahweh of the Old Testament?"
MELORA:
Yes.
S: "Is there
any place Joanna can find information about Athena in her true
goddess form?"
MELORA: Some day, when our Joanna is able
to go to Athens and to visit the Acropolis, she will be able
to receive that information--quite a lot of information--right
into her energetic DNA and is able to tap into that in certain
"channeling" states, and already has, by what she's
posted on the website and experienced in that way. That resolution
is incomplete. As it says in the article, the session [re: soul
retrieval for an embodiment of Athena in Classical Greece] ended
abruptly, but we are telling [Joanna] now, as she comes into
full communion with Athena in this appropriate and new way of
understanding, that much of this can be healed and resolved.
In this embodiment for our
Joanna, going to the Acropolis is going to flood her with information
about many incarnations in that lineage that she not only shares
but that she has also embodied. This, for her, would be the most
direct way to retrieve that information. Although it is possible
to do it in states of meditation, although in meditation she
is going to get fragments that may not be related to each other
very easily for her, whereas actually being in that energetic
space is going to give our Joanna this information. (By the way,
the Parthenon still holds its sacred morphogenic structure--as
the Temple of Solomon still exists morphogenically, as all great
such as the Pyramid of Giza have. These sacred structures have the etheric architectural
plan that precedes the physical expression or materialization.)
S:
Right. I think that's
what happened with me in Egypt, when I went to the [Great] Pyramid.
When's she going to Greece?
MELORA:
This may not be for
a time, just financially. We're seeing that it may not be for
another five to ten years.
S: The next question
is about Joanna's friend, W., who said that Athena is a vibration
of radiation. That's why people are so often physically uncomfortable
with Joanna. This W. person said that Joanna also has this vibration
of radiation. Is this true?
MELORA: We're receiving that this, again,
is a partial understanding of a quality of energy that all in
the Athena Soul Assignment have. (And please remind us to discuss,
further, Soul Assignment concepts in case we get diverted.) It's
a certain resonance of energy, and it may lie dormant. It can
be latent in a person, but as our Joanna continues to develop,
this energy predominates more. This is akin to what she said
in the other new piece up on the website about passive versus
active spiritual energy. So you have the passive Buddha-like
or Quan Yin energy, which is like the Moon Faced Buddha--of Grace
operating without any directed energy. It's just a being-ness
energy. Then you have the Buddha with the Sword, like the spiritual
warrior energy of Archangel Michael, and so forth. In that sense
Athena has that more warrior-like energy. It is an active, dynamic
energy.
Now, when our Joanna was young, she expressed
this in activity, so there would be a dynamism in her
activities--not so much in her personality or in the energy that
she emanates. As time goes on, this energy is starting to be
drawn from that Source, as we described Athena drawing this energy
from her Overbeing, where it now permeates her physical body
and her Higher Bodies and is now contacting other people just
in the space around her. In that sense it radiates, but it is
not like radioactive, which is more the connotation that W. made.
Now the rest of the question regarding the
so-called Reptilians comes from those archaic associations bad-mouthing
Athena, stomping out the Goddess and saying that "snake"
energy is bad, and of the Devil or whatever people did with it
to make the Goddess seem so frightening and overwhelming. This
was really a description of that power and the way that power
moves. If you can imagine this power moving like fingers of flame
now from our Joanna and now affecting other people around her,
they're going to have somewhat the same reaction as those in
ancient times did. Because they're not conscious of what it is--they're
not conscious of what's happening and they're not clairvoyantly
seeing anything--then the first thing that happens is that people
go into fear when there's power there. This is why lesser gods were able to control people
and why lesser beings on Earth are able to control people-- because
people of lower consciousness fear power. Rather
than trying to understand and then empower themselves, they either
fear it or they become subjugated and bonded to the one who's
exhibiting power.
Left:
Archaic statue of Athena (Acropolis Museum, Athens. As it turns
out, Joanna traveled to Greece in May 2002 . . .) Photo by Joanna Neff.
Our
Joanna's conflict about this quality of power has been described
in the two soul retrieval articles regarding an incarnation as
Athena, actually. She actually embodied the statue of Athena
in the Parthenon. There was this whole thing where the other
priestesses were jealous and felt so uncomfortable that they
said she wasn't really who she said she was. Therefore, she sort
of self-immolated or "crisped" herself out rather than
ascending in that lifetime because of deferring to their lower
consciousness, jealousies, and misunderstandings. In that experience
our Joanna asked, "Does that mean that I might be doing
the same thing in this lifetime--letting others' opinions of
me keep me from ascending?"and the answer was "Yes."
S: But
she can change that?
MELORA: Yes. That's what this whole process
we're working on today with your help is leading to. In order
to come into full empowerment as who she is, our Joanna needs
to trust that she's not going to run rampant over people when
she comes into empowerment. She needs not to have these false
structures, these cross-checks to make sure that she doesn't
violate karmic considerations here. Once she's liberated from
the Yahweh guilt and from the other religious guilt things that
are so inculcated in people here, she will be able to step into
alignment--this is the term we wish to use--step into alignment
with her lineage and her Soul Assignment with Athena. She will
have that particular resonance and the power of that connection,
and get rid of the necessity for human embodiment as all comes
together at the Soul level in a massive soul retrieval.
Now, this is not instantaneous,
but it can be discerned and be more powerfully felt, more at
some times than others. At least she will not be taking two steps
forward and one step back.
S: That's
wonderful. So this will be accomplished in this embodiment?
MELORA:
It is possible
in this embodiment, and the rest is up to her. We cannot predict
for a certainty that she will be able to allow this. We're saying
that what we have moved out and through today, and what she has
come to understand (starting even before the session) empowers
her to move in that direction much more intensively and much
more effectively.
S: Let
me ask what your relationship is with Joanna.
MELORA: Our relationship is that we are more
and more her Higher Self. We are a group consciousness, and so
therefore you must infer that her Higher Self is a group consciousness
as well.
S:
It is possible for you
to descend into her?
MELORA:
We have already been
descending into her. She understands that she is not channeling
us. She is currently calling it "linking" with us,
but we are saying to her that we have been merging with her over
time more and more. Only the limitations of her consciousness
allowance and understanding keep her from experience that merging
as fully as she could in everyday moments.
S: Do
you have any steps for her that will help to accelerate this
process?
MELORA: The steps are much like you
described and like what we discussed with you about just letting
that happen. The prescription or recipe, if you will, is much
the same as what we were describing for all who wish to
come into total communion with the Divine aspect of them--the
highest Divine aspect of them that is able to communicate with
them. That is, again, to keep refining the relationship with
Ego as it is necessary in the physical body for your survival.
Ego is your survival tool in 3rd Dimension. You don't want to
annihilate it; you just need to re-train it and to come into
a different relationship with it, so that your Ego becomes a
tool instead of your master.
Now, when you come into total
Heart/Spirit connection, then that Ego tool has no more control
over you. You are using it not only to keep you grounded enough
that you can complete your work here [laughs] but also to help
you relate to other people. Don't use it as a tool to resolve
spiritual questions. Don't use it as a source of answers for
spiritual questions. Don't use it as a tool anywhere but
in 3rd-Dimensional survival issues, if you will--meaning, "I
have to go to work today. I'd better set my alarm clock."
That's it. Retraining the Ego means not allowing it to tryp to
process such questions as those that have been asked today.
S:
But if we're going to
have at-onement with the Ego, it is possible to have the Ego
not be greater or less than the mind.
MELORA: You
do not wish to attune to the Ego, which is what at-onement is.
You wish the Ego to attune to you.
S Ah!
MELORA: .
. . and to work with you. This may be a revolutionary statement
for most people.
S: I
was think of the joining together of, but you're talking about
bringing the Ego up--
MELORA: . . . to a higher-vibrational association
with the true Being that you are. Most people are bringing themselves down vibrationally
to the level of their Ego and serving their Ego.
S: I'd like
some more steps on elevating the Ego.
MELORA: All
right. Any choice that is not made out of love is inappropriate,
will tie you to karma, because you're attached to the outcome
through your Ego. So when the Hindus describe detachment, they're
saying that any attachment you have to the results of what you
do, say, or think is to be avoided. It's like a Higher part of
you monitors the choices that you make, and you can be sure that
it's not the higher consciousness if you're thinking, I'm
going to give her this valentine because it will feel so good
when she gets so excited about it. [laughs] However, that
doesn't mean NOT to give her the valentine.
S: No.
No. No. Just give it out of love.
MELORA: Right.
And not be attached to the outcome.
S: It's out
of love, totally.
MELORA: Yes,
and that's not an easy thing, is it? So you refine and re-train, so that through your free-will
choices, instead of knee-jerking to an Ego choice, you now stop
and examine it with your higher consciousness and say: "Am
I invested in this? Am I doing this because of my Ego need?"
If I am, I don't slap my Ego on the hand with a ruler like an
evil nun. I just say: "No. I'm going to make this
choice instead." You keep re-training your Ego that you
will no longer allow it to rule you. You train it so that it
no longer dictates the choices that you make and the actions
that you take. This is a process. You just start now,
and those are the steps. You continue to have your higher consciousness
monitor the choices that you make instead of doing things out
of habit--instead of just going in to your Ego-based emotions
as the source of why you make certain choices.